Last couple of weeks have been busy in this space!!
Quip, Amium, Dropbox Paper just to name a few (big players too!)
How does Notion compare? What are the big differentiators here?
And what is next on the roadmap?
What's been the biggest takeaways/challenges since v0.5 was hunted last year to the 1.0 release with the Mac app?
@bentossell Tried when it was first hunted and been active on it for the last couple of months. For me, the difference is that this steps away from the standard view of a sheet of paper. Instead we have easy blocks and consistent styling whilst maintaining great collaboration.
Two killer features for me:
* Keyboard shortcuts and commands - most work can be done without leaving the keyboard but it still has a great drag and drop interface
* Everything is a block - you can drag, drop, copy, paste and duplicate any individual or group of blocks. Easily create templates. Put them in a page, duplicate the page, instant layout. With the ability to put some of these blocks in a 'Template Button' you can create some pretty helpful productivity templates.
Different bundling mostly – for now.
Quip: chat + docs
Amium: chat + files
Dropbox Paper: slimed down docs
Notion: docs + wikis + lightweight tasks
Here's our upcoming roadmap. Still a lot of very basics features need to check off, then we can be off to more exciting things.
The largest challenge since 0.5? I would say "stability".
Building an editor that works real-time, offline, handles multi-player conflicts gracefully, usable across all browsers, while at the same time try to sneak in some new editing gestures is pretty tricky. (Probably why you see so few of them around.) We had to scratch the whole thing at 0.5 and start over again, so we don't drown in our own complexity :-)
Benjamin Earl Evans
@ivanhzhao @bentossell "To be honest there's really nothing new about Notion..."
I love that level of honesty. I disagree with you though, it's definitely a new spin on an existing problem
Notion co-founder here. We were accidentally hunted 10 months ago. Since then we have been rebuilding the product from scratch – it's now finally ready for you all. 🙂
To give you some background, our goal is to create the general purpose work tool for a post-file, post-MS Office world. My cofounder and I often joke that this was like the "hot startup topic" of the 90s. Unfortunately, tools for knowledge workers haven't advanced much since then. The state of art is either Google Docs/Quip/Dropbox Paper (multiplayer WordPerfect), or rigid SAAS apps (Visual Basic on the web by outsourced IT). To end users, all the knowledge and workflows are trapped in different "silos", the best people can do is to duct-tape everything together, previously with emails, nowadays with Slack.
Notion wants to challenge this status quo of "software as silos". For the 1.0 release, we are bundling real-time documents, wiki-like organization, and lightweight tasks into a unified tool that can handle pretty much all your team's knowledge needs – and this is just the beginning. 😉
Thanks for the up-vote. Don't forget to download the Mac app (it's a beautiful and distraction-free writing tool on its own). Happy creating! ✌️
@ivanhzhao Just played around with it for a while and I'm amazed. The organization and structure possibilities are endless. It will totally replace all my Google Docs + Trello + Dropbox Paper + bunchofotherstuff craziness. Thank you for the great product 🙌
@ivanhzhao I've been using it for a few weeks now, and I'm really impressed. The thinking that went into designing Notion was clearly a cut above the rest. Nice work on it so far, can't wait to see where you all take it.
I love it, also they are very reactive and take user feedback seriously.
@ivanhzhao this looks very promising..
@ivanhzhao I have been using this for about two weeks now and I've been really impressed with the structure and balance of simplicity and complexity. Immediately it felt like an Evernote replacement, where so many snippets are buried uselessly for me. My GF and I are using it in Quip/GDocs-like fashion to work through our "move-in checklist" - furniture purchases, to-dos, etc. It's been a great collab tool.
Very excited for upcoming mobile updates, imports (bye bye Evernote, GDocs collabs) and (rumor has it) GIF goodness.
@ivanhzhao Awesome work! For some reason, anything I search doesn't return any results. :( also, are you guys working on an iOS version?
Pratik Sagar Mishra
@ivanhzhao This is beautiful :D
@ivanhzhao This is a fantastic application! Even just playing around with it today so see the potential. I can't wait to dive in :).
The really cool thing is that it's automatically support GIFs. I just added a Guggy GIF to our board and it's looks great.
Do you have option to create addons, plugins, etc?
@ivanhzhao Notion looks really solid, and it's great to see it launch with a desktop app. Also stoked to see it's built with Electron - ping me and we'll get it added to http://electron.atom.io/apps/!
@jonw a lot of traffic yesterday. Search was lagging behind but should be working later today. Yes iOS is on the roadmap: https://www.notion.so/What-s-New-157765353f2c4705bd45474e5ba8b46c
@ivanhzhao @jonw What about an Android app?
@ivanhzhao will be great to see an iOS version.
@rotemthegolfer @ivanhzhao haven't tried yet but it browsing through the deluge of positive commentes while playing around, I was thinking just that. Stop using Trello, find a good reason to use Slack ;) ... what else ?
@ivanhzhao I've been trying to import .md and .docx for quite some time now. Notion gives me an error with no details.
- https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Awesome-Ruby-rpRzOQFwlmp2KSYWNXxpU (same thing in Paper)
Am I doing it wrong?
@ivanhzhao Only the icon looks horrible.
The most creative solution to content creation and communication I have seen in awhile.
I have clocked 50+ hours on Notion, having written our startup’s internal knowledge base in it. I love this product. The editor may seem rough around the edges at first, but it reveals itself as a power tool with a slight learning curve. It produces great looking documents and has much more flexibility than Medium for example. This lets me stay away from static site builders and HTML and still produce complex layouts without losing maintainability. This actually gives you MORE tools than Markdown too, mainly because of the columnar layouts and (limited) style and colour options.
The best part is structuring. Being able to nest pages, link across and control access domain/email/public is killer. The team reached out to me for feedback and have been integrating some of my suggestions which feels great.
Being a power tool though I would say the only drawback is that you need to be a pretty advanced user to maintain and build documents. For my use case that’s fine. In theory this is easier to learn than Google Docs, but the Word UI is just so hard wired into people’s brains that anything else scares them away. I hope this style of editing becomes widespread.
For an example of what can be done with the layout, this is an example of how I'm planning and keeping track of my days: https://www.notion.so/Tuesday-9-a9daef36c022440f99bc359ddb49fd0e
@jdbannister Very nice! Can you share an example of that which is editable so I can save it as a page template and see how you put it together?
@jdbannister Not to worry, I found out you can right click an un-editable page and select duplicate :)
@robhawkes Can't without the risk of maxing out my max-collaborators! But you can add the page to your sidebar and duplicate it to have an editable copy: http://www.giphy.com/gifs/l2SpOiusdmP6XW9ck
@robhawkes Great isn't it! Would totally be worth making a gallery of community templates. @ivanhzhao?
@jdbannister @ivanhzhao Yes! Would love to see this… or at least somewhere temporary to highlight interesting ones like yours for now.
@robhawkes @ivanhzhao I'll start collecting them here: https://www.notion.so/Community-Templates-c1426b781b994c498703d3e925a7123e
@jdbannister @robhawkes 💛
@jdbannister Do you duplicate this daily? And hand-erase stuff that's done?
@dshan No, I added the page into a 'Template Button' in my August page - this creates a blank page in the same format! http://www.giphy.com/gifs/l46Cl0K4r9ZDGXmZW
@jdbannister oh hell yes
This looks excellent. I'm a sucker for tools like this, but my first criteria is usually, "is this a tool that I would want to use as a single user without any team involvement?" It looks like Notion could well be such a tool.
@frassmith my team has read only access (which is free since only active collaborators are billed)
Amazing product! I use it every day for my work and private projects. Mac app a bit buggy for now, but web app is awesome!
I love it. The design and the user experience are simply great
From the first moment I met Notion it's been a true love story. Alright, back to business... I use this tool to plan and schedule my weekly and daily work and there's no other tool I've come across that would do it so well! You most definitely need to check it out!
Notion has been and continues to be an absolutely incredible product. I used to have a combination of nvALT synced to Dropbox + Simplenote, and although I still need Simplenote for the iOS stuff (let's see if Notion can figure out iOS), Notion has solved a lot of my issues. @ivanhzhao is also an amazing listener and listens directly for feedback that is visibly implemented :)
Much love and congratulations on the launch!
I take a lot of notes everyday but never found a tool that'd make me drop pen and paper until I started to use Notion. It gives you everything to shape your very own workspace and it looks so nice! ❤️
Notion is probably one of my top 3 most used products, both for personal and business stuff. It's incredibly flexible and powerful. I love it.
Do you plan for a Windows app in the future?
@itsnblackburn From personal experience: the Mac app seems to be built on Electron, so a Windows app is not an unrealistic goal (think Atom). It does take a good bit of time to make a stable build, compared to *nix systems.
@lalabadie I am well aware of what it's built on but it's all down to if the developers are planning to support additional platforms.
Julian j/k Krenge
The fuck. That's like really good.
So happy to see this product here! I've been using Notion since when it was first featured in Product Hunt and it just got stuck in my workflow. I use Notion for meeting note, product road map, feature docs and other personal stuff. So flexible, so powerful. When they release iOS app too, it will have the perfect eco system that I've been looking for.
Really excited to learn that the Mac App has released. I've been using this on the web for a while now and I love it!
Truly awesome product. Love the clean interface. Perfect for brainstorming, note taking, spec writing, and zen building. Use it!
Notion is awesome.
It's different from most (web) content editors because it's *not* entirely subservient to document flow. It actually gives a few well-picked layout tools, and that makes all the difference.
For example, I've been using it to do translation work. My layout looks like this (Draft template in two columns): http://i.imgur.com/tR0TJNF.png